Advanced Exposure: Raw and Log (Camera Lesson 33)

Summary: Camera RAW and log settings throw additional considerations into the mix when it comes to exposing your film image properly. In this video Ryan shares what those considerations are and how they impact exposure choices for your film production.

Length: 6:53 minutes


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10 replies
  1. DiegoGilly
    DiegoGilly says:

    How about Black Magic? I believe they show you in the camera monitoring, when you choose “Film DR” (even when shooting Log ProRes), only what the RAW sensor is seeing… So, does this mean that if I am choosing my EI depending on how much detail I need on Highlights or Shadows only apply to raw and its wrong for Log? Or does the DR get distributed too there?
    And what have you tested as being the middle in BMCC 2.5K? It would be great if you could show a demo of the DR distribution vs EI in your tests!!! And more so on these manufacturers that do not share much native information (Optimal ISO, Bit Depth RAW vs Log, and namely Color Temp that can affect things quite a bit too no?…) Hahaha, I want it all… Sorry

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    • Ryan E. Walters
      Ryan E. Walters says:

      And here is where things can get confusing, it all depend on the camera manufacture. With Blackmagic, the camera can record in both RAW (DNG) and log (ProRes), but when it records in log (ProRes) using “Film DR” it is pulling the info straight from the sensor just like it would for the RAW data. So if the DR of that camera has less detail in the highlights at some EI’s than at others, then that will be true for the log file as well. And that is NOT the case for other cameras like Canon – once you go above their “optimal / native” ISO (which is 850) the highlight detail (latitude) stays the same. So it is all about knowing your camera system, and how it responds.

      For the Blackmagic Cinema Camera (BMCC) 2.5k when you are at ISO 800, that seems to be a good place to be at for an even distribution of the DR. It has about 5 stops over and about 5 stops under. (Maybe a bit more under- up to 7 under depending on how noise tolerant you are.)

      Thanks for the ideas / recommendation on showing the DR distribution vs EI, optimal ISO, RAW vs Log, etc. I’ll add that to the list of training to release. 🙂

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  2. Rich49er
    Rich49er says:

    You mentioned 2% black, what does the 2% refer to?
    On the diagram 1:57 in there was a part about mid tones being 33%. Is this your way of saying the exposure falls at 33 IRE?

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      • zakriaalzubidi
        zakriaalzubidi says:

        Thank you
        But 2 more questions plz
        What dose (native ISO ) mean ?
        Is it right that it means to put the latitude in the middle I mean the highlite information equal the shadow info
        Is that true?

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        • Tim
          Tim says:

          Native ISO is the ISO that sensor performs the best at. When using film, this would be the ISO of the film. For those who have used film, you know that you can “push” the film to be a different ISO, but often that results in more grain. Same with digital sensors: when you are setting your camera to a non-native ISO, the camera is actually changing the gain on the digital signal. This too adds a bit of noise and can decrease the dynamic range of the sensor.

          The “latitude” (or “middle gray”) is often close to the middle of the range, however rarely is it exactly in the middle. The sensor often can “see” more stops in the shadows than in the highlights. The same is true for our eyes which is why “middle gray” is at 18% Gray and not 50% Gray. It’s because the intensity of light grows exponentially since it is doubling with every stop. It’s also why highlights clip so fast. This all means that you may adjust where you put middle gray based on the dynamic range of your scene. If you have a lot of important highlights and shadows you have to be much more careful where you put middle gray than if your scene is lower contrast. In lower contrast scenes, you may adjust middle gray so that you save your highlights or save your shadows.

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  3. Justin
    Justin says:

    Hi,
    In Lesson 11 you state that when shooting in RAW, all camera data except aperture and shutter speed is recorded as metadata. So ISO is adjustable in post, and not something “baked” into the image. It seems to me that what you are saying here regarding ISO adjusting the mid-tone level contradicts that. Can you help clarify? Thanks.

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    • Tim
      Tim says:

      There are two answers to this depending on what camera you are using. The first answer is for all cameras other than RED. With these other cameras, there is some analog processing on the data coming off the sensor prior to the analog-digital conversion and final RAW recording. The ISO setting affects this analog processing, so it does affect the final image even though it is still RAW. The mid-tones will be the same, but the dynamic range changes as does the graininess of the image. With RED cameras, they truly are recording everything off the sensor and so ISO is not baked in. However, when the ISO is adjusted in post-production, the placement of middle gray changes along the dynamic range, which changes mid-tone levels. RED has a very thorough article discussing ISO’s affect on middle gray within RAW.

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